They would always say, God is love.

And what we always meant was love is God.

We will build the constructs of love,

and then we will make that our gods.

It was an idol.

Hey friends, I have got a great podcast for you today with an ex-progressive Christian

who is going to share with us his story of growing up in the church, encountering some

pretty significant spiritual abuse that essentially catapulted him toward progressive Christianity.

Then he's going to tell us how he ended up coming back to a historic faith and now runs

his own podcast that functions essentially to reach out to progressive Christians and

promote some dialogue to help maybe bring them back.

And it's just a great conversation and I'm going to bring that to you in a moment.

But I realize there's probably a lot of stuff going on that you may not be aware of if

you're only listening to this podcast on audio.

So first of all, all of the podcasts that you listen to on the audio feed, whether you're

listening to them on iTunes or SoundCloud or Google or wherever you get your podcasts,

I want you to know that these podcasts are available on YouTube.

So if you would prefer to watch the interview where I'm interviewing guests, you can see

our reactions.

Definitely go to youtube.com slash Alisa Childers because all of these long form podcasts

will be there for you to watch as well as listen to.

But there is so much more going on.

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