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🗓️ 16 July 2025
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We discuss the murders of four University of Idaho students: Madison Mogen, Kaylee Goncalves, Xana Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin. The students were killed in Moscow, Idaho, on November 13, 2022. We are covering this case now because Bryan Kohberger recently pleaded guilty on July 2, 2025. We review the known facts of the crime and analyze what they suggest about the offender’s behavior and possible motive. Part 1 of 2.
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0:00.0 | In the consult, we discuss cases involving violence, sexual violence, abduction, and and I'm joined by my colleagues. |
0:38.3 | Angela Serser. |
0:40.3 | Susan Costler Drew. |
0:41.3 | And Bob Drew. |
0:42.3 | Angela, Susan, Bob, and I work together in the FBI's behavioral analysis unit. |
0:48.3 | And today, we're going to take a behavioral look at a very disturbing and widely followed case in recent memory. |
0:56.6 | The murders of four University of Idaho students and the man convicted of committing them. |
1:02.8 | On November 13th of 2022, Madison Mogan, Kaylee Gonzalez, Zana Karnodal, and Ethan Chapin were brutally murdered in an off-campus home |
1:14.6 | in Moscow, Idaho. The case was shocking, not only because of the level of violence, but also because of |
1:22.5 | the mystery surrounding the offender and the apparent lack of motive. On July 2nd of 2025, so just a couple days ago, although when this episode comes out, |
1:35.8 | it will have been two weeks since Brian Coburger pleaded guilty to four counts of murder |
1:43.0 | and one count of burglary. |
1:45.0 | Coburger will serve four consecutive life sentences plus 10 years for the burglary. |
1:52.0 | With this deal, he waived the right to an appeal or to seek any leniency. |
1:58.0 | So in this episode, we're going to be trying to explore some of the |
2:02.6 | remaining questions around this case. It's just going to be a discussion. I don't know |
2:07.3 | if we're going to be able to answer these questions. These are very complicated, complex types |
2:13.2 | of cases. I don't think we ever will have all the answers. If somebody does, please email me and |
2:18.8 | come do the show with me. But we want to talk about things such as what was his motive? Was he |
2:24.6 | targeting someone specific? What do we think about that? Would he have killed again? And if he would, |
2:30.0 | when? How do we classify him? Was he a serial killer, a mass murderer, or something else? What role did his background in criminology play? Was he trying to outsmart investigators? Did it give him the upper hand in committing a crime like this? And why did he plead guilty? Especially given reports that he admired someone like Ted Bundy, who famously represented himself in court? |
2:55.6 | So we'll talk about these things in addition to some potential early warning signs in Koberger's life, things like bullying, social isolation, or control, and the mistakes that he ultimately made that led to his |
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