You're listening to Knowing Faith, a podcast of Training the Church. This is Kyle Worley and I'm joined by my co-host Jin Wilkin and J.T. English and today we are also joined by Dr. Katie McCoy.

Dr. McCoy serves as an assistant professor of theology in women's studies at the

southwestern Baptist theological seminary. She holds a PhD from southwestern

in systematic theology where she wrote on Old Testament laws about women's personhood and what they can show us about human dignity.

You can find her online at blonde Orthodoxy and blonde Orthodoxy.

Dr McCoy, thank you for joining us.

Thanks so much for having me guys.

Really glad to have you on the show really.

Kyle you know she said she likes going by Katie.

I know but I and I was going to wait until after the formal introduction I will now refer to her I mean I feel like if you do all that work for a PhD

You're definitely not making it back in salary, so you need to make it back in recognition

So then you know you should start calling me? I'm not going to call you Dr English. I wasn't going to say that I was going to say master.

Not going to happen either. There's just no way that's going to happen. But now I do I do know there

is something beyond the PhD that Dr McCoy shares with J.T. and with the rest of us here which is I

believe that you share our love for the West Wing is this true?

Yes very very much especially these days after this last debate West Wing is

is basically therapy now for all of us.

Oh, was there a debate?

But I have to kind?

Oh, did you miss it?

You're in, you're better off.

Yes.

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