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The Peter Attia Drive

#93 - AMA with Jason Fried: Work-life balance, avoiding burnout, defining success, company culture, and more

The Peter Attia Drive

Peter Attia, MD

Health & Fitness, Medicine, Fitness

4.7 • 7.3K Ratings

🗓️ 17 February 2020

⏱️ 128 minutes

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Summary

In my first interview with Jason Fried, Jason explained his overall philosophy about work-life balance and how exactly he optimizes for efficiency. For this special follow-up AMA, we've decided to release the full episode to everyone (including non-subscribers), so all can hear Jason answer questions from listeners that dive deeper into topics such as work-life balance, the role of luck versus hard work in success, specifics around Basecamp’s unique process-oriented approach to projects, 4-day work weeks, practical tips for people searching for the right company culture, tips on writing and parenting, and a whole bunch more.

  • If Jason had taken his own advice about work-life balance at the start of his career, would he have achieved the same level of success? [2:05];

  • What is Jason’s definition of success, and what is he optimizing for? [10:10];

  • Basecamp’s policy on email and expectations for a quick response, and why Jason believes in sleeping on big decisions [14:30];

  • How Jason implements “true” work-life balance in his life and at Basecamp [19:15];

  • Does work and life have to be separated in order to have balance? [32:00];

  • How Jason makes time the fixed component to avoid the compulsion to keep pushing forward on a project perpetually [34:15];

  • Jason’s tip for physicians who may be facing burnout [45:00];

  • Signs of “burnout” if you do the same thing for work and pleasure, and tips to avoid and manage that feeling [49:45];

  • Is a 40-hour work week the correct amount? [53:45];

  • How to evaluate a company’s culture when looking for a job with the right work environment [59:00];

  • Jason’s take on salaries and alternate incentives like equity, profit sharing, etc. [1:06:45];

  • What traits does Jason look for when hiring new employees? [1:13:45];

  • Does Jason believe in process-oriented work or outcome-driven work, and Basecamp’s unique process for completing projects [1:16:15];

  • How does Jason handle a project that results in a failure? [1:20:00];

  • Advice for people in situations where they don’t have full control of their time and work demands [1:23:50];

  • How much of success should be attributed to skill versus luck? [1:29:30];

  • The importance of writing skills, and tip to improve your writing [1:43:15];

  • Lessons learned from parenting, and Peter’s top priority when it comes to raising kids [1:52:15];

  • An important skill: the ability to say “no” to things [2:01:15]; and

  • More.

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Hey everyone, welcome to the Drive Podcast.

0:13.0

I'm your host, Peter Atia.

0:14.8

This podcast, my website, and my weekly newsletter, all focus on the goal of translating

0:18.7

the science of longevity into something accessible for everyone.

0:22.4

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0:26.6

assembled a great team of analysts to make this happen.

0:29.4

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0:33.2

in-depth content if you want to take your knowledge of this space to the next level.

0:37.3

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0:41.0

more now, head over to peteratiamd.com forward slash subscribe.

0:46.3

Now without further delay, here's today's episode.

0:49.0

I guess this week is Jason Freed.

0:52.7

You may recognize that name as Jason was a guest on the podcast we released in October

0:56.7

of 2019.

0:58.0

At the end of that discussion, both Jason and I sat back and thought, you know, on some

1:01.5

levels, boy, this was kind of outside of what I normally talk about, but at the other

1:04.8

level, we thought there were a lot of topics that we could have gone deeper into.

1:07.8

And once the podcast actually came out, we were surprised, I suppose pleasantly, by the

1:12.3

number of questions that people put forth.

1:15.4

And so we decided to do a follow-up AMA on that initial discussion.

1:19.4

And so we took questions from many of you, broadly, apologies for those of you who weren't

1:23.9

aware of this.

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