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Wet Fly Swing Fly Fishing Podcast

928 | The Divot, Pivot, and Twist: Dry Dropper Fishing Beyond the Basics with Jason Randall

Wet Fly Swing Fly Fishing Podcast

Dave Stewart

Hobbies, Wilderness, Leisure, Sports

4.7530 Ratings

🗓️ 25 May 2026

⏱️ 70 minutes

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Summary

928 Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/928

Presented by:  Montana Fly Fishing Lodge, Drifthook Fly Fishing, AVC Rig, FishHound Expeditions

Today, we're digging into dries and dry dropper fishing beyond the basics with Jason Randall. We talk about better drifts, longer leaders, strike detection, presentation, and the small rigging changes that can completely change how your flies fish on the water.

Jason also shares where dry droppers work best, where they fall apart, and a few subtle tricks that help your flies look more natural instead of just floating by.

Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/928

Transcript

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0:00.0

You can replay your best day on the water, but the detail that made you most successful on the water might not be the one you remember.

0:08.7

Today we're digging into dries and dry droppers at a deeper level, how small changes in rigging, water choice, and presentation can completely change what happens in front of you.

0:17.9

And we've got Jason Randall back on the show, author educator, and someone

0:21.3

who spent years dialing in everything from your niffing to dry fly precision. And today he's

0:26.7

bringing it all back on the surface. This is the wet fly swing podcast where I show you the best places

0:31.2

to travel to for fly fishing, how to find the best resources and tools to prepare for that big trip,

0:35.8

and what you can do to give back to the fish species

0:38.1

we all love. Jason Randall today is going to share some of his best tips, including the exact

0:43.1

currents where dry dropper actually works and where it falls apart. We're going to talk about a different

0:47.4

way to rig your system to give you more control, better drifts, fewer tangles. We're going to talk about

0:52.3

three subtle signals, the divot, the pivot, and the twist that tell you a fish has already eaten,

0:58.2

and why longer leaders in the 12 to 15 foot range can change everything and how this actually turns over cleanly in the water.

1:05.5

Plus, you're going to get a few small presentation tweaks that can make your fly look alive instead of just floating by. All right, you can find Jason Randall at Jason Randall Flyfishing on Instagram. Here he is, Jason Randall. How you doing, Jason? Oh, I'm doing great, Dave. It's great to be back. Thanks for having me. Yeah, yeah, great to chat with you again here. I was looking back at the past episodes. We'll have links out to those in the show notes. We've had some good podcast episodes over the years. And, you know, we've had an in-person school we did a little while back. And I think we're going to circle around today on kind of dries and dry droppers, things like that. But before we get into that, give us an update. What's going on with you right now? It's, you know, maze right around the corner. What are you getting ready to do some

1:47.8

fishing out there? You bet. You bet. I'm in Wisconsin and the heart of the driftless region,

1:53.1

and it's just getting beautiful here. Spring is here. Our water temps are starting to rise and our

1:59.3

fish are happy. We're getting good amounts of rain this spring, so I think that's going to start our trout season off pretty well.

2:07.0

This is typically our dry, dry dropper season, so I'm pretty excited.

2:13.1

Well, this is good.

2:13.7

I think, you know, in the past, obviously you're an expert in a number of different topics. We've talked nymphing, we've talked, you know, in the past, obviously, you're an expert in a number of different topics.

2:18.1

We've talked, you know, had some other podcast content. But talk about, you know, with dry droppers and all the setup, how do you know when that's the right time, you know, say drys versus dry droppers and everything in between?

2:31.8

Well, yeah, for sure. You know, and I know we've talked about nymphing before,

2:35.9

and I certainly did a deep dive into nymphing

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