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I'm Hello and welcome to the show.

This is the cult of conspiracy.

And my name's Jonathan.

I'm Jacob.

And today we are getting a little spooky, a little in the spirit of Halloween, and we're going to be talking about something that most people probably haven't heard of. I do want to give a major shout out to the Museum of Tarot. I follow him on Instagram. Great guy.

I eventually would love to get him on the show.

I've talked about him in the past before because he's the one that kind of brought back the Dysianen goggles, which are badass.

I'm like super impressed that he was able to do that.

But he was talking about this story and I thought maybe I'll look a little bit deeper into it and holy shit. Have you ever heard of Philip

the ghost? Philip the ghost. Give me a area of the world we're talking about. I have. Um, well,

this was, um, like 40 years ago, is. I don't remember exactly what the date was, but basically this group of people, um, called the Owen group. They all got together and decided, yeah, it was, uh, in the 70s, so about 50 years ago now. Um, but they all got together and they were trying to, you know, lab science style,

try and figure out what's really going on whenever somebody creates, whenever somebody does

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