Hello, this is the Grenfell Tower Inquiry podcast, reporting every day the inquiry sits. I'm Eddie Mayer.

Today, for the first time, the inquiry heard from the local council and the tenant management organisation which ran Grenfell Tower.

Robert Black, the chief executive of the tenant management organisation, had difficulty recalling

events from the night.

Can you just tell us what you were doing between 245am, if that's the right time, and

three o'clock?

No, I mean, again, it's just being there.

In his written witness statement, Robert Black said he was woken up at 1.30 by a phone call.

He called a cab and says he believes he arrived at Grenfell around 245.

However, an email shown to the inquiry suggests it may have been nearer 3.30.

Lead counsel to the inquiry Richard Millett asked Robert Black

what he thought the role of the tenant management organisation on the night was.

It has no role because actually the local authority liaison officers are the key part.

They're on the ground and the authority to command resources.

You've got the Beck group which is sitting at the town hall and then you've got the silver group.

So the TAMO isn't part of any of those groups. So in terms of, for us, once that's enacted,

the statutory powers, the police, the fire brigade and the local authority have taken over in the sense of the area, the estate and all the responsibility in it.

Because, and it almost in the sense, I think we wrote to you and said, you're almost there as a spare part about trying to help.

When he arrived, Robert Black went through two police cordons and found his way to one of the

fire brigade's command units, which was directing the operation. Now, when you arrived at the command

unit, did you speak to any officer of the London Fire Brigade there? No. Did you speak to any

officer of the Metropolitan Police? Here, he met the local authority liaison officer, Nicholas Leighton.

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