Ingo Swan claims to have used this astral body to travel to distant planets.

He tells us how it feels to travel in this energy body.

As I've grown older and become more reflective on life, I've often recovered many of the

thoughts about existence I had as a child. A major one of these was the separation of consciousness from the body, which was very real when I was a child.

You forget about these things as you grow up because they're not part of our cultural impact that we're supposed to think

about. But this kind of thing happens in art all the time. The artist seeks to invoke in his

paintings concept. The artist seeks to invoke in his paintings concepts which are not academic but looking towards future images of man.

In the case of this one in back of me, I believe and always have believed and I

returned to it many times in my life that I am not this body in terms of consciousness and

consciousness can go places where the body cannot.

One of these of course is the far galaxies and I tried in this particular painting to

capture this kind of a fleeting fluctuation of consciousness I think it's very real and many people do too. Then I write this number down again and when I get to the end of it to the last digit I stop

when I hold my pencil there and then that's the point where I try to eliminate all thoughts from my mind.

Okay guys welcome back to the Grim America show.

This week we are going to be chatting with Mr. Paul Elder of the Monroe Institute,

talking about a remote viewing, all sorts of fun stuff like that.

But first, as always, Graham, don't tell me crop circles aren't real Dunlop.

How's it going buddy?

Pretty good buddy.

Yeah, I'm doing well.

Living the dream.

As it were.

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