Special thanks to U.S. Bank and Nissan for sponsoring this episode of the Jordan Harbinger Show.

Coming up next on the Jordan Harbinger Show.

Sometimes a person goes looking elsewhere, not because they want to find someone else,

but because they want to find another self. When we are in a relationship,

we enter a role, we become the father, the mother, the provider, the subjugated,

the responsible, whichever. And there is something about that transgression that often says,

it's not that I want to leave you, I want to leave what I have become.

Welcome to the show. I'm Jordan Harbinger. On the Jordan Harbinger Show, we decode the stories,

secrets and skills of the world's most fascinating people and turn their wisdom into practical

advice that you can use to impact your own life and those around you. Our mission is to help you

become a better informed, more critical thinker through long-form conversations with the

variety of amazing folks, from spies to CEOs, athletes, authors, thinkers and performers,

even the occasional mafia enforcer, cold case homicide investigator, investigative journalist,

rocket scientist or Russian chess grandmaster. If you're new to the show or you want to tell

your friends about the show and I appreciate it when you do, our episode starter packs are a

great place to do just that. These are collections of our favorite episodes on persuasion and

negotiations, psychology, geopolitics, disinformation and cyber warfare, crime and cults and more.

That'll help new listeners get a taste of everything we do here on the show.

Just visit jordanharbinger.com slash start or search for us in your Spotify app to get started.

Now today on the show, legendary therapist, Esther Perrell, I'm excited about this one. I really,

I've been waiting a while to do it. I've been friends with Esther for a long time going on,

I think a decade at this point. And since then, she's just taken over the world, you love to see it.

...