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The answer to that at the end of the show, my name's Tom Scott, and this is Lateral.

Welcome once again to Lateral, the show where Sideways Thinking is the only way forward. So we encourage you to perform a 90-degree turn before you listen any further. Just not if you're driving. Our first guest today is new to the show from the fully charged podcast, the fully charged show, and formerly of Scrapheap Challenge and Red Dwarf, Robert Llewellyn, welcome to Lateral. Thank you very much, no. It's great, thrill to be here. Well, it's lovely to have you on. We worked together for the first time years ago. It was one of the first collaboration videos I ever did on my old YouTube channel, and I just remember you putting your foot down. I couldn't drive back then, and I remember you putting your foot down in a fast Tesla,

and both was going, oh, this is a thing. That was like my first exposure to electric cars.

And it is nearly 10 years later, and you have still this huge channel and sort of empire about

them. What are you working on at the minute? I've just had an email just now to say that we're

delivering the Renault, the new electric Rena an email just now to say that we're delivering the Rena, the new

electric Renault scenic next week. So we're still doing cars. We're still, but we do a lot of other,

we don't just do cars. We do bikes and home energy stuff and renewable energy, big renewable

energy projects. We're doing a lot of stuff about that, battery technology. And then we do

live events around the world. So our next one is in Vancouver in a couple of months' time.

And so that's become the sort of backbone of the whole thing. They are extraordinary things to

be at. I remember a friend of mine going to one of the first ones you had. I can't

which airfield it was. Somewhere in... Silverstone. We did the first two at Silverstone Motor Racing.

And I remember there not being enough charging for all the electric car and things that were turning

up. All those things were absolute nightmares for those first few shows. But we just, I mean,

it is, what's incredible is how much that's changed in the time. So that was 2018, the first shows. But we just, I mean, it is, what's incredible is how much that's changed

in the time. So that was 2018, the first one. And we've just done a show in London at Excel, which has

some charging in it, but we, there is now technology where you basically bring a massive battery on a

truck. And that charges, and we charge literally thousands of cars because we do driving test drives.

And we did, I don't know, we've done 100,000 test drives in our history of live events.

So that gives you some idea of how many.

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