903: Fork Yeah! Microsoft open sourcing Copilot
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Wes Bos
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🗓️ 19 May 2025
⏱️ 58 minutes
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Summary
Scott and Wes are joined by Erich Gamma, creator of VS Code, and Kai Maetzel, Copilot Lead, to share some big news about the future of VS Code and Copilot. They discuss what it means for developers, how AI is shaping the future of coding, and why staying open to the community is key.
Show Notes
- 00:00 Welcome to Syntax!
- 01:00 The inception of VS Code.
- 02:49 VS Code adoption.
- 04:31 Brought to you by Sentry.io.
- 04:55 Syntax Denver Meetup!
- 05:19 The big announcement.
- 06:25 The current state of Copilot and VS Code.
- 08:31 The challenges with LLMs running outside of the codebase.
- 09:31 How to make a business case for AI.
- 10:47 The maturing of the AI landscape.
- 13:01 The limitations of extensions.
- 14:06 Open source vs closed source.
- 14:49 Copilot’s context is public.
- 19:23 Is context language-specific?
- 21:23 How does this affect paid Copilot features?
- 23:27 Secrets of Copilot’s server-side.
- 28:36 What will be open and what will not?
- 29:03 Is Copilot’s UI influenced by VS Code forks?
- 31:31 Maintaining VS Code identity in forks.
- 33:07 What does open-sourcing GitHub Copilot mean for Cursor and Windsurf?
- 38:42 Were you surprised to see VS Code forks?
- 40:03 Are other extensions able to tap into the AI offerings?
- 43:20 There’s work to be done.
- 44:13 The timeline.
- 45:39 Simulation Tests (S Tests).
- 48:07 How to test LLMs.
- 49:10 The future of software development with AI.
- 52:47 What’s your favorite model?
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to syntax. Today we've got a really exciting episode. A big announcement about |
| 0:04.7 | VsCode and GitHub co-pilot. We got Eric Gamma and Kai Metzl on, who are some of the early |
| 0:12.4 | on, they've been working on VS code for many, many years, and they're going to talk to us all |
| 0:19.0 | about it. So welcome, Kai. Welcome, Eric. Thanks so much for coming on. |
| 0:22.0 | Thanks for being here. |
| 0:23.2 | Yeah, real quick. |
| 0:24.4 | Let's give a quick introduction before we hit the announcement. |
| 0:27.1 | Just gives people some context of who you are within the VS code project. |
| 0:33.0 | So I initiated when I jumped Microsoft 15 years ago. |
| 0:39.2 | I started the VESCOP project. |
| 0:41.6 | It was leading it for quite a while. |
| 0:47.2 | More recently, I stepped down, became more an IC individual contributor, |
| 0:49.7 | and Kai is now running the show. |
| 0:55.0 | And I joined the VSCode project almost 10 years ago now. Man, 10 years, wow. |
| 0:57.0 | Is VAS code really 15 years old? |
| 1:00.0 | What was the initial creation? |
| 1:03.0 | Why did you start that project in the early days? |
| 1:06.0 | So we noticed there are kind of this new kind of developers that we often refer to as |
| 1:11.7 | born-in-the-web developers. |
| 1:13.7 | And we wanted to also give them tools so that we are relevant to them, right? |
| 1:20.5 | We had a big tool, great, great Visual Studio, all integrated, one of the best. |
| 1:25.6 | But we wanted to disrupt this a little bit and really |
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