and I was listening to a podcast the other day, their opinion is that cancel culture doesn't really exist to some moral panic.

And I think there's some truth to that. Like I think a lot of people are disproportionately worried that they're going to be cancelled when they almost certainly aren't going to be.

But then they said in part of the reason why there's such a moral panic going on was because of me, like John Ronson.

It's been a good run lately, hasn't it?

Carl Zimmer, David Robson, Richard Dawkins,

and now one of my all-time heroes.

It's journalist, documentary maker and podcaster John Ronson.

I've been a fan of John's work since I read the Psychopath test while I was living

in Brazil about eight years ago and I was still

an aspiring writer and journalist and was simply blown away by John's writing.

He hits the nail on the head in this episode when he explains how he was so worried

about boring the reader. It means that his work is just an absolute joy to read.

Every sentence is either funny, elucidating or chilling, depending on the topic at hand,

and those things are pretty useful when you're reading a book about psychopaths.

You want to sometimes laugh and then sometimes feel a bit scared.

He's also known for writing, So You've been

publicly shamed, a book about the way we publicly humiliate others for minor

transgressions. There's a lot of discourse about that today of course, but John was ahead of the curve when that book came out in 2015. with Extreme figures including Alex Jones, David Ike, an Islamic militant leader

Omar Bakri Mohammed. His other books include them Adventures with Extremists, Lost at Sea for John Ronson Mysteries and

The Men Who Stare at Goats, which was made into a movie starring George Clooney. He co-wrote Frank another feature film starring Michael

Fassbender and Maggie Gillenhol and Maggie's brother Jake Gillenhol

starred in John's acclaimed movie, movie Upja. I've seen and read all of these things

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