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You came very close to her in Frankfurt.

She's not there now. I don't think she's in Germany anymore.

She'll be somewhere why nobody expects her to be. After everything that's happened

she's felt a network closing around her.

So there are two options.

Either she's extremely cautious because she's felt the network closing in or otherwise. When she's not there anymore she

cannot well you've seen what happens. People talk they sing.

What would a big criminal organization do with people who could be such a liability for them?

You know how it works. 15 months ago, Georgia and I set out to find Rooge Ignatova, the founder of an exciting new cryptocurrency called One Coin.

One family! You're amazing guys! Thank you! She promised financial revolution and huge returns for investors.

In two years nobody will speak about Bitcoin anymore.

Billions of euros were invested from all over the world.

You saw goats.

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