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Scott Horton Show - Just the Interviews

9/9/21 Joe Dyke on the Civilian Bodycount of American Airstrikes

Scott Horton Show - Just the Interviews

Scott Horton

News, Politics

4.8989 Ratings

🗓️ 15 September 2021

⏱️ 31 minutes

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Summary

Joe Dyke from Airwars.org joins the show to discuss his new report, coauthored with Imogen Piper, which attempts to count civilian deaths resulting directly from U.S. airstrikes during the Terror Wars. Dyke says he and his colleagues want civilian deaths to be part of the broader ongoing discussions about the cost of these wars. Scott and Dyke discuss the difficulties involved with trying to count civilian deaths and examine the costs and benefits of different methods. Both agree, regardless of method, it’s important work. Especially since the U.S. government has made no official estimates.  Discussed on the show:  “Tens of thousands of civilians likely killed by US in ‘Forever Wars’” (Airwars.org) Cost of War Project at Brown University  “The Other Afghan Women” (New Yorker) “Looser rules, more civilian deaths, a Taliban takeover: Inside America’s failed Afghan drone campaign” (Connecting Vets) “The Drone Papers” (The Intercept)  George W. Bush speech after 9/11  “The Iraq War Logs” (Wikileaks)   “Iraq war logs reveal 15,000 previously unlisted civilian deaths” (The Guardian)  Joe Dyke is Senior Investigator at Airwars. He has a decade of experience living and working in the Middle East, carrying out in-depth investigations into conflict-related civilian harm. Follow his work on Twitter @joedyke. This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: The War State and Why The Vietnam War?, by Mike Swanson; Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom; ExpandDesigns.com/Scott; EasyShip; Thc Hemp Spot; Green Mill Supercritical; Bug-A-Salt; Lorenzotti Coffee and Listen and Think Audio. Shop Libertarian Institute merch or donate to the show through Patreon, PayPal or Bitcoin: 1DZBZNJrxUhQhEzgDh7k8JXHXRjYu5tZiG. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0L0VcEtDiE Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

All right, y'all welcome to the Scott Horton Show.

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I'm the Director of the Libertarian Institute,

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editorial director of anti-war.com.

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Author of the book, Pools Arren,

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Time to End the War in Afghanistan,

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and the brand new enough already. Time to end the war in Afghanistan and the brand new enough already.

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Time to end the war on terrorism.

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And I've recorded more than 5,500 interviews since 2003,

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interview archive is also available at YouTube. dot-Horton Show.

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Hey guys, on the line I've got Joe Dyke from Air Wars

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dot org.

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Welcome back to the show, Joe.

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How you doing?

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Hi, thank you so much for having me again. It's great to be back. Very happy to have you here. Very important piece that you guys have put together.

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Tens of thousands of civilians likely killed by U.S. in Forever Wars and by that you mean

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indirect air strikes, drone or airplane strikes, not shot or artilleryed, correct?

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Yep, we do, with the very,, the caveat that the early years of the Iraq war, the data comes from

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Iraq body count and they don't disaggregate between heavy, between artillery and airstrikes.

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But the rest of the data is all airstrikes handling.

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I see.

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