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I am Bruce Feldman joined, as always by Stuart Mandel.

We are taping this Monday morning right after a about an hour long Urban Meyer press conference

where he fielded a lot of questions regarding this whole Zach Smith investigation and all things

around it do I watch the whole thing on Big Ten network I know you didn't get a chance to see the

beginning of it there's a lot we can get through here on this. But really, there's one thing I want to start with. Where do you see Urban Myers' credibility in the wake of all this? His credibility? I mean, I think his credibility took a huge hit, obviously, once that report came out and some of the things that were in there. And then in terms

of this Tom Renaud, you know, this has been, and you and I had wondered, like, how was he

going to handle this coming back midseason? And I actually guessed a week ago, it would be a Tom

Rinaldi sit down. There was that. There was a statement on Monday morning on Twitter. And then this

press conference, which you just, you know, you didn't know if it was going to be, hey, I answered all that already. Let's talk football. It really wasn't. It was an hour of almost exclusively questions about this and great questions from the reporters there. And I don't think anything he, I guess what I would say to your question is, if you believed already that his credibility

took a major hit during this whole scandal, I don't think he did much at that press conference

to win it back. Yeah, I think that the hardest thing for a lot of people to get around. And there's a lot of

there's a lot of red flags in this whole thing. I'm not just talking about like the press

conference today, which is in this whole story if you want to lump it all together, whether it was

what happened at Big Ten Media Day or the text messages, cell phone related discussion with

his director of football operations. I mean, a lot of the,

and those things were all brought up. The hardest thing I think for a lot of people to square is

at Big Ten Media Days, when Urban Myers asked about this back in Chicago, he was the one who brings

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