So I ran a first-person account yesterday from a priest talking about what it was

like in his situation, the sexual abuse he had to put up with to try to be on the fast

track to be coming a priest. Maybe we'll get to that in a little bit. It seemed pretty clear

from that that this is so widespread, so expected, so well-known by so many people. It's amazing

that the Catholic Church has not taken this more seriously over the years.

That's one of the points that is made quite beautiful beautifully in Chico Harland's

piece for the Washington Post about Pope Francis summoning bishops to discuss preventing

clergy sex abuse at an unprecedented summit. Mr. Harland, who is the Rome Bureau Chief

for the Washington Post, joins us. Now I believe from Washington, DC, Chico Haruuser.

I'm doing great. Thanks for having me.

Oh yeah, it's our pleasure. And the piece I just finished reading it is infinitely fair,

but devastating. When you talk about how clear it is that the problem is is Jack just said

extremely widespread, an open secret, and indeed the blame could very easily go very,

very high up into the Vatican. Right. And then from country to country,

you kind of ask yourself, well, where is it happening? I think the answer is it's happening

everywhere. And we know about it only in the places that bother or have the wherewithal

to lift up the rock and see what terrible things are under there. But the idea that this

is something that is confined only to a few countries seems like an object lie that fewer

and fewer people are now trotting out.

Well before we get ahead of ourselves, why don't you tell us about this summit that Pope

Francis has called for? Well, it wasn't a total surprise. There had been some bishops

and folks in both in the UK and the US who had called on the Pope to do this. In fact,

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