I mean, it's one of these things where you get to know some of these people and you realize

they're speaking from conscience because they are worried about Trump doing things and so they steal

papers off his desk. That's interesting. So I started the Bob Woodward book last night and that's

the personal office supplies or you know valuables. Sorry. They park in handicapped spots. I'm surprised

there's not more talk about do or we okay with this with with various staff members undermining the

policy decisions of a president. Whether you agree with the policy decisions or not, you can't run a

country like that. It just becomes a norm. Well, how often is this happening in history? I have no

idea at the risk of sounding self-congratulatory. There aren't that many of us who react to stories in any

other way than to arms to arms as opposed to wow, this is interesting. I wonder what it means. It's

just kind of out of fashion. Well, somebody who likes to understand exactly what's going on. What

it means is Lonnie Chen, David and Diane Steffi research fellow with the Hoover institution. His

credentials are long and impressive and is always a great conversation. Lonnie, how are you, sir?

Good morning. How are you guys? Awesome. Great. All in all. Can't complain. I saw you on with Stefan

Oppelus Sunday. I thought, hey, we need to talk to you again because you're always like what you

have to say. Well, I appreciate that. And you know, the traffic report that I just heard right before

you guys came back was from Sacramento reminded me of the time that I lived there and how much I missed it.

Oh, cool. Yeah. Well, folks, timely traffic on all of our affiliates. All around the

Western United States and weather as well for people who need weather from the radio. So on what we

were just discussing the opening part of Woodward's book and you know, one of the most explosive claims

that you have people grabbing letters off his desk so he doesn't sign them and they don't become

policy. I mean, has this happened before in history? Or is this okay? Is this happened in other

administrations? Well, I think it's relative. I think it's unprecedented for people to circumvent

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