We like to throw rocks at the people who don't see the world in the way we do.

I don't know why.

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So maybe this will be part two of our interview, kind of the second segment.

So why don't we start by just kind of saying when did things start turning south?

In your Australian Mormon experience, it sounds like it was,

aside from the early stuff and the challenges with your family, Amanda,

it sounds like in so many ways it was a delic.

Absolutely, absolutely.

You both would say that.

Yes, absolutely.

And the fact that we went through that didn't make the church any less ideal.

That was our lives that we were, we didn't use that to look at the church in a negative way.

That was something that we were sort of going through at the time.

I never blamed the church or the leadership or had it that was always about me.

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