We like to throw rocks at the people who don't see the world in the way we do.

I don't know why.

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Alright, so now I think it's time to turn in the interview

and this should probably be its own segment.

To talk about Neal Apologetics and what your critiques are.

Because we now have moved, many of us would celebrate the fact that we moved away from

Daniel Peterson, Lumichly, you know, Bill Hamlin.

They're pretty much irrelevant now.

I mean Daniel Peterson might publish a editorial in the desert news every once in a while,

but nobody really listens to them anymore.

And you know, part of that is just that they're old, but part of it is they've been deinstitutionalized

and I think all of us kind of celebrated when that happened,

not that we wish any personal ill on any of them, we don't.

But in that sense, the way that apologetics has moved into this new Neal Apologetics fear,

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