I don't know much about Moose. They're awesome. So fucking big such a giant animal.

Two, one live. Boom! Live with James Headfield. How are you sir?

Doing awesome. A friend of Jim Brewers is a friend of mine. Awesome to hear so yeah so you're in hey man I listen to your new shit in the gym today and you know what's amazing about it you know what's amazing about it? You guys still fucking rock hard. You know, you haven't... I love Arrow Smith.

It was a huge Arrow Smith fan when I was a kid, but somewhere along the line they became a ballad band.

Somewhere along the line, they started doing movies for music for

or music for movies that appeal to like adolescent teenage girls, you know, like something

happened. Yeah, I got you no and then and then other people start

writing your songs that's that's I think the the ultimate kind of not given up but you've you've lost your way yeah I wanted to talk to you about like

There's a transition that's very successful people make and either they make it or they don't and the

transition is to go from being hungry and filled with all this angst to being like

stupid wealthy and famous but still keeping your art relevant. Like how do you do that? We're

super competitive people. We're really perfectionists and we hate to let each other down. There's a there's always a better

riff coming. There's always a better album. Maybe there's the never satisfied part to us that will keep us going till we die.

You know, there's always the ultimate lyric that's going to connect to everyone in the world or

something.

There is always a better something that we haven't got yet.

So it's that mindset.

Is that, I guess in the beginning you just want to do it, right?

You want to be a successful band, you want to make it, you're young, you're filled with angst,

but your music has the same sort of intensity to it.

Like today in the gym, I got in there, I hadn't listened to your new album at all I

fucking cranked it up to nine and I just said let's go and I turned it on and

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