Come with me on an exploration of self-discovery. On this podcast, we decipher what really matters,

as we unravel the chaos of day-to-day work, to learn how to build an essential life.

Thank you everyone for being here on the What's A Central Podcast. I'm Greg McEwan,

your host. I've been thinking about this pandemic and how it's created this involuntary reflection.

One of the things that happens in that reflective period is whether we want to or not, we find ourselves

facing regrets. And we might not like to face it for very long, it can be pretty awkward,

quite painful, and so we want to push forward. But it seems to me that we have been taught

that we shouldn't have regrets, and so as soon as we feel them, we push forward. And then we

get stuck in them. We're trying to avoid them, and that means that we get stuck in them. And so my

guess today is the one and only Dan Pink, the number one New York Times best-selling author of

Drive and when to sell as human a whole new mind. And he inverts this whole view of the matter

in his marvelous new book, The Power of Regrets. And we're going to discuss five counterintuitive

things that you can do right now to use regrets to your advantage in designing a life that

really matters. Dan, welcome to The What's Essential Podcast. Greg, it's great to be with you.

Thanks for that really nice introduction. I appreciate it. You've had this whole career now

quarter of a century. Of course, there's always highs and lows in writing and publishing and

books and so on. Not for you, though, I actually was at the Stanford graduation ceremony where

Oprah spoke, where she gave out a whole new mind to every single person in attendance. That to me,

at least, was symbolic of something important. Suddenly, Oprah said he has answers. Dan knows

stuff. He's named things that matter to me. I came across a comment from you. It's where you're

talking about your regrets. Basically, you say you have several regrets yourself. And one of them

was to do with not being bold enough. But then you write the phrase, stay tuned. I thought that meant

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