Today's guest helps people build out their ultimate adventure vehicle.

Not for show, not for Instagram, for real miles, real weather, and long days that start out on the river and end in the dark.

He grew up road tripping to Wyoming to fish Freestone Rivers, learned to sleep wherever the water stopped him and figured out early that access matters more than

comfort. Today, Matt Dunkerly runs ABC rig building custom camper van buildouts and DIY systems

that help anglers, riders, and families get farther without overbuilding or overthinking it.

This is the Webfly Swing podcast where I show you the best places to travel to for fly fishing,

how to find the best resources and tools to prepare for that big trip, and what you can do to give back to the fish species we all love. Matt Dunkerly is here today, and he is going to break down a number of things, including why most van build mistakes happen before the first tool even comes out. He's going to talk about a few systems that actually matter and what you can actually skip when you're getting into a custom build-out

or something more detailed. And we're also going to find out how fly fishing shaped mats approach

to access simplicity and design and the real difference between vans, trucks, and trailers

for anglers. We're going to get into a bunch of trips. If you're excited about this one, I know I am, here he is. You can find Matt Dunkerly at avcrig.com. How's it going, Matt? It's doing pretty good, Dave. Good morning. Yeah, great to be on with you. Yeah, yeah. This is going to be a fun one. I think that you have a brand that a lot of

people, either they have what, they're thinking about. I know I've been thinking about this for a while,

the van. I know we were on a trip. I think back to this trip we did in Virginia, we crossed the country. I

flew across. I met with two of our listeners, Brandon and Matt, and both of them had these dialed in. One was, I think one was a sprinter van and one was a, was the transit. And they were both just like, and I, my first chance to really look and see one of these buildouts. So basically, I mean, that's what you do. You build out these vans. We're going to talk about that today,

but you're also into fly fishing,

and we got some fly fishing questions for you as well. But first off, how are things going? You staying busy. We're just kind of into the new year, right? Yeah, into the new year. We are as busy as ever. It used to be that we would have kind of a slow season time a year, but I'd say the last few years we've just been cranking.

You know, COVID obviously was like a big one for all outdoor things in general. And so we got really busy then and we've honestly never slowed down since. So yeah, it's good to be busy and, you know, it's a little bit chilly here in Colorado. But we got a nice big warm shop to work in. So we stay busy year round. nice. Well, maybe just start off with, and we're going to get into a little on your background on fishing. But first, just talk about, you know, AVC rig for people that don't know what that is. Maybe explain a little bit about what you do. Yeah, so AVC rig stands for adventure vehicle concepts. And we just wanted a nice, like, short URL so people could find us on the web.

We build custom camper vans. That's our main bread and butter.

So we take the Ford Transit platform. We bring them in house as an empty cargo van, and then we just dial them in with everything custom for whatever the customer needs.

We usually sit down with somebody, do a needs

analysis, talk about the activities they do, what kind of trips they like to take. And then we kind of

steer them through the design process and build a van based on their needs. That's like one half of

our business. The other half is all this DIY product and do it yourself kind of stuff so that

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