Welcome to Syntax. Today we have Kevin and Varroon on from Winsurf.

We're here to talk today about AI and coding and there's a lot going on in this space right now.

Is it going to replace developers entirely? Is this a tool that you should be using? Can you trust the code that it's cranking out?

There's just so much going on. And we thought, like,

let's have them on to just talk about, obviously, we're going to talk about WinSurf and the editor.

They forked VS code, right? And we're going to talk about that and how it compares to

copilot and cursor and all that. But also, I'm more interested in just like talking about like, what does the state

of web development look like with all these crazy AI advancements in the last couple of years?

It even feels like the last six months, everything has really cranked up as well. So welcome,

Kevin and Veroon. Thanks for coming on. Thanks for having us. Yeah. Good to be, I guess, this is my second time on the podcast, so thank you for having me back.

And then.

Yeah.

Debut, you want to give us a quick rundown of who you are and what you do and kind of place what windsurf is in relation to codium?

Yeah, happy to do that.

So I'm Verun, I'm the CEO and co-founder of the company.

If we go really, really back, so close to four years ago,

the company actually started as a GPU virtualization company.

So we built software to make GPU infrastructure really, really efficient.

We even built compiler software for that.

The middle of 2022 rolled around and we saw that

generative AI was going to be huge for deep learning, right? We thought all the deep learning workloads

were fundamentally going to be generative AI workloads. And in that world, we were early adopters

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