870: Another Take on the Pronoun Debate: Dr. Julie Maxwell
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🗓️ 27 May 2021
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Summary
Should Christians use a trans* identified person’s chosen pronouns (i.e. ones that don’t align with their biological sex)? I (Preston) have argued for “pronoun hospitality,” that Christians should use a person’s pronouns. And Julie generally agrees with this perspective, but she believes that it’s sometimes better for the long term well-being for trans* identified children and adolescents when their parents don’t use their chosen pronouns. In case you didn’t know, this is super controversial! Which is why we need to have this conversation.
In this episode, I talk with Julie about her perspective, evidence for and against it, and various other things related to the discussion about how to best treat trans*-identified children and teens. Julie is a licensed pediatrician in the U.K. and has written extensively about Gender Dysphoria and trans* identities.
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| 0:00.0 | Hey friends, welcome to another episode of Theology Nara. |
| 0:03.6 | Okay, this episode is going to be, well, it's going to be controversial. |
| 0:08.4 | I mean, this is Theology Nara in almost every episode is controversial, I think. |
| 0:13.3 | But this one is particularly sensitive. |
| 0:15.9 | Let me just give you a brief backstory on how I got in touch with Julie Maxwell, Dr. Julie Maxwell. |
| 0:22.9 | First of all, she's a pediatrician in the United Kingdom and has been, in the last several years, |
| 0:28.3 | has been fairly involved with the gender conversation, specifically as a pediatrician, |
| 0:34.6 | how to best treat or think through teens and children with gender dysphoria. |
| 0:42.0 | And she has written articles on this topic and has kind of just entered into a very controversial |
| 0:48.9 | area. So Julie read my book and really loved it. She reached out with the email saying, |
| 0:55.5 | hey, I loved your book and body. I do have a slightly different perspective on your position on |
| 1:03.4 | pronouns, like using someone's pronouns, or as some people say, using someone's preferred pronouns. |
| 1:09.9 | Okay, so, and so let me just, first of all, share just as concisely as I can kind of my perspective |
| 1:17.8 | on pronouns, often going to ask, you know, should you use, should a Christian use a person's |
| 1:23.9 | preferred pronouns? No, I just want to acknowledge some people don't like the term preferred |
| 1:28.1 | pronouns. Some people say, just call them your pronouns or their pronouns. |
| 1:35.0 | And so I thought through this question for quite a bit, quite a bit of time and have, I have a |
| 1:42.9 | whole good chunk of my chapter in my book and body deals with whether Christians should use |
| 1:48.9 | someone's pronouns if they don't match their biological sex. Okay, so if a male wants you to |
| 1:54.0 | call them she or her or, or maybe they them, you know, as another part of this conversation, |
| 2:01.6 | you know, should a Christian comply to that. Now, some people would say that it's |
| 2:06.2 | lying to use the pronouns of a person that don't, that doesn't match their biological sex. |
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