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I've dream that you were twisting through seven suns of gold

and the gypsy was insisting.

Their story must be told.

I came two in the morning,

but I took it as a warning.

There you might be a treasure.

I could touch but never hold.

Hi, everybody.

Welcome back to the Soberful podcast.

It's so great to have you here.

If you do get a quick moment,

please give us a quick rating on the podcast app on your phone if you get a chance.

I am here today with one of my favorite people and somebody who is a second time guest on the

Sober Fall podcast. She had such a massive reaction, not just to being on

this podcast, but to her amazing book, which has been out in the wild now for several months.

I wanted to welcome back Laura McCowan. Hello. It's so funny, no matter how much I talk to,

which we talk quite a bit.

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