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Lingthusiasm - A podcast that's enthusiastic about linguistics

87: If I were an irrealis episode

Lingthusiasm - A podcast that's enthusiastic about linguistics

Gretchen McCulloch and Lauren Gawne

Science

4.8743 Ratings

🗓️ 21 December 2023

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Summary

Language lets us talk about things that aren't, strictly speaking, entirely real. Sometimes that's an imaginative object (is a toy sword a real sword? how about Excalibur?). Other times, it's a hypothetical situation (such as "if it rains, we'll cancel the picnic" - but neither the picnic nor the rain have happened yet. And they might never happen. But also they might!). Languages have lots of different ways of talking about different kinds of speculative events, and together they're called the irrealis. In this episode, your hosts Gretchen McCulloch and Lauren Gawne get enthusiastic about some of our favourite examples under the irrealis umbrella. We talk about various things that we can mean by "reality", such as how existing fictional concepts, like goblins playing Macbeth, differ from newly-constructed fictions, like our new creature the Frenumblinger. We also talk about hypothetical statements using "if" (including the delightfully-named "biscuit conditionals), and using the "if I were a rich man" (Fiddler on the Roof) to "if I was a rich girl" (Gwen Stefani) continuum to track the evolution of the English subjunctive. Finally, a few of our favourite additional types of irrealis categories: the hortative, used to urge or exhort (let's go!), the optative, to express wishes and hopes (if only...), the dubitative, for when you doubt something, and the desiderative (I wish...). Read the transcript here: https://lingthusiasm.com/post/737362573359464448/transcript-episode-87-irrealis Announcements: Thank you to everyone who shared Lingthusiasm with a friend or on social media for our seventh anniversary! It was great to see what you love about Lingthusiasm and which episodes you chose to share. We hope you enjoyed the warm fuzzies! In this month’s bonus episode, Gretchen gets enthusiastic about swearing (including rude gestures) in fiction with science fiction and fantasy authors Jo Walton and Ada Palmer, authors of the Thessaly books and Terra Ignota series, both super interesting series we've ling-nerded out about before on the show. We talk about invented swear words like "frak" and "frell", sweary lexical gaps (why don't we swear with "toe jam!"), and interpreting the nuances of regional swear words like "bloody" in fiction. Join us on Patreon now to get access to this and 80+ other bonus episodes! You’ll also get access to the Lingthusiasm Discord server where you can chat with other language nerds. Find us here: https://patreon.com/lingthusiasm For links to things mentioned in this episode: https://lingthusiasm.com/post/737362321491591169/lingthusiasm-episode-87-if-i-were-an-irrealis

Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to Lenthusiasm, a podcast that's enthusiastic about linguistics. I'm Lauren

0:22.8

Gorn. And I'm Gretchen McCulloch. And today we're getting enthusiastic about how languages express

0:27.9

unreality. But first, thank you to everyone who celebrated our anniversary month with us.

0:33.5

We always enjoy seeing what you recommend to people and thanking you for doing that.

0:39.3

If you did that not on social media in your own private media channels, thank you very much.

0:44.6

And you can share an enthusiasm with anyone who needs more linguistics in their life throughout the year.

0:50.4

Our most recent bonus episode is a conversation about swearing in science fiction and fantasy

0:57.3

with Ada Palmer and Joe Walton.

0:59.8

I was so excited to hear you talk to two of our favorite authors.

1:04.2

We've talked about Ada Palmer's Too Like the Lightning and the Terror Ignota series before,

1:08.2

and we've talked about Joe Walton's Thessaly books.

1:10.4

So getting to hear you talk to them about Joe Walton's Thessaly books. So getting

1:10.9

to hear you talk to them about swearing in fantasy and in science fiction was a whole lot of fun.

1:16.1

This was so much fun. We also have several other bonus episodes about swearing more generally,

1:21.8

as well as a massive archive of bonus episodes, if you're looking for something to do

1:26.5

and you wish there were more

1:27.8

Lenthusiasm episodes or you just want to help us keep making the show. Those are there. You can go to

1:32.5

patreon.com slash Lenthusiasm to get access to our full archive of bonus episodes for yourself or

1:38.9

they make a great last minute gift idea.

1:53.4

Gretchen, what is real?

1:55.9

That's a big philosophical question, Lauren.

1:57.7

What does it mean for something to be real?

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