It's time for episode 87 of the Clockwise podcast from Relay FM recorded Wednesday, May 13th, 2015.

Clockwise, Four people. Four technology topics. 30 minutes.

Welcome back to Clockwise, a podcast that reminds you, it's time for me to get a new fence

because the elephant sat on it.

Remember that joke?

I'm Jason Snellan across the internet for me as Dan Moran.

Hi, Dan.

You know, they're not all going to be winners, Jason.

Of course, this is Clockwise.

We talk for 30 minutes about four technology topics with two wonderful guests.

To my left, it is a developer of P-Calc and Drag Thing.

And a gentleman who hosted me at his place when I was visiting Glasgow. It's James Thompson. Hi, James.

Hi, Jason. A pleasure to speak to you again. I still have the sign. Welcome back.

Well, fully 50% of the people on this podcast have hosted Jason and at some

point at their home. But one of those who hasn't is our other guest, Macworld editor, Susie Oaks.

Hi, Susie. Hi, how's it going? Jason's welcome at my house anytime. There you go.

We live in the same region, so it's a little easier, but you know, sometimes you end up like going to crash your place.

Brian Chen, our friend who writes for the New York Times, his oven broke.

Moment of silence for Brian's oven.

And he wrote about it in the New York Times.

He got really bad customer service when he complained about it. And his point was, you can test a product and evaluate it and find out that it's good.

But that doesn't talk about any of the other issues,

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