This is Jonathan Peugeot. Welcome to the symbolic world. I think by now both of most of the people that watch my channel know you and then

probably similar.

We're in the same space.

So we could just,

we could just discuss and think it would be fine.

You know what?

You say that, that we're in the same space, but that makes me think that we're in the same safe space.

I want it to be in the same danger zone.

I think we're in the same space, but I don't think we're on the same sides of it. And so we're kind of like on these, I think we have, we're, we're in the same discussion,

but we're not, maybe not in the same.

I've been impressed, I've been, to be honest, I've been impressed to see, like, the variety

of interviews you're able to get.

Like, it's, it's pretty intense.

I think it's, it's such, it's, it's a testimony to your

true desire to discuss that you're able to, because, you know, you, you, you did the, you did the,

um, because you did evergreen and then so everybody kind of could have pegged you in a certain

way because you, you, you were criticizing with the way that Evergreen was making decisions.

But now you're having all these discussions about transition with transsexuals and everything.

I was like, wow, how is he able to, how do they trust him?

You know, and so I think that's definitely a testimony to your style or the way that you engage in conversation.

Well, I think that it's similar with you. I think there's something that causes both of us to be

able to be sojourners on an intellectual level, because you're able to do the, to walk into any story, any narrative, and make a home out of it.

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