Huh, have you ever wondered what a sandwich sounds like?

Not much to it, is there?

Unless, of course, it's a Walker's sandwich.

Mmm, that is good.

Now that's what Asani should sound like.

Go all crisp in with walkers.

Delicious.

Hey there, I'm Jason Gottz, and you're listening to Think Again, a Big Think podcast.

Started in 2008, Big Think is a kind of online think tank of big ideas from some of the most

creative thinkers on the planet.

On the podcast, we revisit these ideas in new ways.

Our producers surprised me and my guests with short interview clips from Big Things Archives,

ideas that we didn't necessarily come here expecting to discuss.

I'm very happy to be here today with Ayelet Waldman.

She's a novelist and an essayist and a former federal public defender who taught at Loyola and UC Berkeley Schools of Law.

Her latest book, A Really Good Day, is an honest account of her month-long experience microdosing on LSD after a ton of research into the practice and potential psychological benefits of taking subperceptual doses

of the chemical. Spoiler, overall, it helped her. The book also digs into the history

and ramifications of the criminalization of psychoactive drugs. Welcome to think again, I

Ellen.

Oh, it's a pleasure to be here. Thanks so much for having me on the show.

Yeah, no, I'm so glad you could make it.

So I found your book really, really interesting, and I guess I think for the audience,

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