Hey there, folks. If you watch this program, which is called the Eric Mataxis show, many of you don't watch it because it's hosted by Eric McTaxus.

You watch it because Ericman Taxis has a preternatural, even perhaps supernatural gift for getting great guests. For example, my guest today is Ali Beth Stuckey. Some of you know her from her podcast called Relatable.

You've probably heard about her big bestseller toxic empathy, and it's a joy to have Alibeth Stuckian today.

Alibath, welcome.

Thank you so much.

I'm glad to be here.

Yeah, listen, I want to talk to you about everything, which is always a little bit of a problem.

So let's start with something.

Where should we start?

Do we want to talk about, um, uh, the, do we want to talk about

Franklin Graham's letter to President Trump back in October? I wasn't quite aware of this because,

I mean, this has kind of come out recently, but, but Franklin Graham, uh, took it upon himself, being Franklin Graham, of course, whom we love,

to send a letter to the president back in October, because the president had been making

some classically Trumpian cryptic comments about heaven. And I think he's kind of trolling everybody.

He's trolling Franklin Graham. He's trolling me. He's just trolling the world to kind of trolling everybody he's trolling franklin graham he's trolling me he's trolling he's just

trolling the world to to kind of get us to suck us into some conversation uh and so franklin graham

sends this letter to him telling him about there's only one way to get to heaven uh and that's

by subscribing to my Franklin Graham's theology.

Just kidding.

But he always has to use the shed blood and the thing.

Like he just lays out the gospel beautifully.

And a month later, I don't know if you know about this,

...