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Now we always come to you last, Clint, so why don't we have you talk about Orange first

in this round?

Yeah, well I think, you know, the pattern, if I understand and keep in mind, I've only

known about spiral dynamics for maybe a week because John tweeted about it and I listened

to this podcast and I'm thinking about it.

So I'm just saying how I think about it.

I'm not saying how it really is, but the way that I've understood it, there's pros and

cons, come to an awareness of the cons and you respond to it.

And so the cons in blue, especially if we're talking about a religion and we're talking

about this codified mythology, is that these stories aren't really true.

That's kind of the big thing for I think a lot of us and a lot of this audience that

would recognize, oh wait, all of these stories, belief, superstitions, things that tied

me to the group.

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