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Casey's autistic.

She says it's puzzling, neurotypical people, and how much they lie.

She's not alone.

Yeah, in our support groups, that issue comes up a lot.

For some people, it's very puzzling and they just don't understand the concept.

And especially because so often lies are just completely transparent.

She gave me this example.

When you worked in HR, they caught this guy who was having an inappropriate relationship with his administrative assistant.

A naked picture of her was on his work computer.

And still, he denied it.

Kept lying.

It's just baffling to me.

It's just, it's inexplicable.

I don't understand the continuing in the lie.

And I don't understand why they haven't learned at an earlier point

that it's not productive, that this is not an effective tool for you.

Looking around on Reddit, we found a lot of autistic people writing about this exact thing.

Here's somebody who posted saying, I recently realized that a lot of things I'd always categorized as lies are not seen that way by NT people, no, typical people.

Like, they say it, knowing it isn't literally true, but they don't think of it as a lie because

they don't expect others to believe it.

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