Today we're sitting down with someone who has lived two deep lives, one on the PGA tour and one on the flats of South Texas.

Our guests spent years competing against the best golfers in the world studying pressure, tempo, and how to stay calm when everything speeds up.

Now he's applying that same understanding to fly fishing, especially sight fishing for redfish and trout in shallow water. This is the Wifly Swing podcast where I show you the best places to travel to for fly fishing, especially sight fishing for redfish and trout in shallow water.

This is the Webfly Swing podcast where I show you the best places to travel to for fly fishing,

how to find the best resources and tools to prepare for that big trip, and what you can do

to give back to the fish species we all love.

PGA tour veteran Phil Blackmar takes us into South Texas, and today you're going to find out

how to keep your cast relaxed when shot matters most.

What changes when you fish the flats from a drifting boat instead of pulling or sitting in

one spot?

Why timing matters more than power.

And how switching hands after a shoulder injury reshape how he approaches casting.

There are also some great stories that we talk about.

He covered Tiger Woods. He watched Jack Nicholas handle pressure. Had some great conversations

there in stories and learning how to make quiet presentations to spooky fish and what happens

when a shark decides to eat your cobia. This is a good one. Here we go. Let's get into it.

Here he is. Phil Blackmar.

How are you doing, Phil? I'm doing great. Dave. Thanks for having me. I look forward to this conversation. Yeah, yeah, me too. I think, you know, we've talked a lot about fly fishing and golf. You know, golf has come up a lot over the years, whether it's, you know, we've had people talk about, you know, which one's harder casting a fly rod or swinging a golf club.

You've won some PGA Tour Championship, so you're at the highest level there, and then you're also a fly angler, so we're going to talk about that today. But maybe just take us back first on fly fishing. How did you get into, I mean, have you been doing this a while or what's your first memory of fly fishing? No, I have. Actually, I've been an avid angler

for pretty much my entire life. And a friend of mine, John Adams, we used to have a trip in the fall when the tour season was over and we'd go down, I fish the flats in South Texas for redfish and trout sight fishing. And he showed up one year with a fly rod, and we made all sorts of fun of them and everything else. This was back in about 1992 or three.

Oh, wow, yeah.

And we made lots of fun of them.

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