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Ben? Oh, my God. This is such a treat. Ben, like, I can't, you don't understand.

I was such an Uber fan.

I truly think that before the 90 days, this past season, was one of the best seasons.

I mean, you just couldn't even predict what was going to happen next episode.

Right, it really was.

And I think my own story, I think, was probably one of the least popular, honestly. But at the same time, I did keep people guessing.

Well, okay, how did you feel about that, by the way? I mean, I was saying to you before we started, I wish people would first and foremost give you guys so much credit because you are opening up your lives,

even though we really only see a third of who you really are, right? I mean, the other two thirds

we really don't get to see because it's edited for time sake. It's edited for obviously the juicy

stuff. But how did you feel about that? Because your storyline wasn't very popular and you were

portrayed as a guy who was just, you know,

going after mahogany and going after mahogany and like, you know, people didn't like it.

So what was your take?

So I thought very naively that it was going to be the most beautiful love story that 90 days had ever

seen because it was such an uphill battle every step

of the way from the language barrier to 4,000 miles away, to me actually never video chatting

with her. And I knew for a fact that we were going to overcome all those obstacles in front of

America and people would just be like,

wow, that's what love is all about. That's how naive I was. Okay, wait, and I got to think back to

some of the first episodes, but had you ever done any reality show prior to this one? Or was this

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