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I'm Adam Young and today we have the high honor of hearing from Victoria's

Immermint. Abuse often involves intensity, whether it's sexual abuse, physical

abuse, emotional abuse, the nature of abuse is that there is an intensity

between the two people involved. When a parent abuse is a child, the intensity

at play serves to bind their hearts together. Today, Victoria shares a trauma

story that illustrates how her heart was bound to her abuser and how she has

come to be released and find new levels of freedom. Victoria also talks about

how she has come to bless her longing as a child and as an adult for her

father's gaze, even though the price of that gaze was abuse. Thank you so much

for listening. Here is my very meaningful conversation with Victoria. I am here

with Victoria's Immermint Victoria. It's good to see you. Hi, it's good to see you

Adam. Tell our listeners a little about where you are living and what you spend

your time doing. Sure, I live in Dallas, Texas. I spend my time working as a

fellow at the Allender Center. So I get the honor and the privilege of sitting

with folks and getting to hear their stories and imagine with them. And I also

run a surrogacy agency called Aspen Surrogacy Group where we offer holistic

care to our surrogates. And so I spend a lot of time running that business. I

created the business. So it's my baby right now. Let's talk story. How did you

find out that you had a story? How did you start to engage your story? I was

living in Colorado at the time and I had just landed my dream job. I was in my

early 20s and I was the director of a pregnancy center and I had gone to

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