The challenge is, how do we convince clinical staff, the terminating women's pregnancies

at their request, is the right thing to do?

I don't think that's a challenge that we should shy away from.

There are way more people who think like I do that, well, I would be prepared to do this,

but I think that my colleagues must have the ability, if they seriously think that abortion is

totally wrong, then they should not be compelled to do that.

Hello, and welcome to the Brendan O'Neill show with me, Brendan O'Neill.

This is a podcast in which an esteemed guest joins me to talk about the big ideas,

the bad ideas, the problems and the controversies of life in the early 21st century.

In this episode, I am delighted to be joined by Anne Faradie and is the former chief executive

of BPAS, the British Pregnancy Advisory Service, which is the UK's largest independent abortion

provider, and has been working in the area of reproductive choice for many years. Before BPAS,

she worked at the birth control trust and later the UK Family Planning Association.

She's also been director of policy and communications at the human fertilisation and embryology

authority and has written widely on issues relating to health, choice and consent for numerous

publications, including SPITE. She's the author of the brilliant book, The Moral Case for Abortion,

which has just been republished as a second edition. So Anne, let's talk about your book,

The Moral Case for Abortion, which is now in its second edition, and I guess the first thing I want

to ask you as a way into this conversation is about the title of the book, because it's a very

striking title, simply having the word moral in a case for abortion is quite striking in itself.

And if you look at the pro-choice argument, it's very often made in terms of necessity,

women need this procedure, or it's made in terms of some people will say, look, it's not very

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