#85 — Is this the End of Europe?

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🗓️ 7 July 2017

⏱️ 40 minutes

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Sam Harris speaks with Douglas Murray about his book The Strange Death of Europe: Immigration, Identity, Islam.

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0:00.0	Welcome to the Making Sense Podcast. This is Sam Harris. Just a note to say that if you're
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0:46.5	Today I'm speaking with Douglas Murray. Douglas is an associate editor at the spectator,
0:51.6	and he writes for many other publications, including the Sunday Times, Standpoint, and the Wall Street
0:58.4	Journal. He's also given talks at both the British and European parliaments and at the White House.
1:04.8	And he's most recently the author of a wonderful book titled The Strange Death of Europe,
1:11.0	Immigration, Identity, Islam. And if you don't know him, Douglas is a truly wonderful debater.
1:18.0	I recommend you check out more or less anything you can find from him on YouTube.
1:25.0	Douglas and I spend a lot of time in this podcast, certainly most of the time talking about the
1:30.1	situation in Europe with respect to immigration and Islam and the social attitudes in the Muslim
1:38.0	community that are at odds with values that really should be, really must be non-negotiable.
1:45.5	Like free speech and women's rights and gay rights. And what I'd like to point out is that neither
1:54.4	of us are against immigration. And you might not notice that in the first hour or so. And we're not
2:02.4	against Muslim immigration. In fact, both of us count among our friends, Muslims, and former Muslims,
2:10.0	who are precisely the sorts of people we are most concerned to protect. And in particular,
2:16.9	we're worried about protecting them from many of the illiberal people who have been pouring into
2:22.6	Europe. I know there are some things that Douglas and I disagree about. I think we have a different
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