85. Deepak Chopra — Metahuman: Unleashing Your Infinite Potential
The Michael Shermer Show
Michael Shermer
4.4 • 921 Ratings
🗓️ 1 October 2019
⏱️ 55 minutes
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Summary
In this conversation long-time adversaries and now friends Michael Shermer and Deepak Chopra make an attempt at mutual understanding through the careful unpacking of what Deepak means when he talks about the subject-object split, the impermanence of the self, nondualism, the mind-body problem, the nature of consciousness, and the nature of reality. Shermer also pushes Deepak to translate these deep philosophical, metaphysical, and psychological concepts into actionable take-home ideas that can be put to use to reduce human suffering and help people lead lives that are more meaningful and purposeful.
In the book Deepak includes a survey called Nondual Embodiment Thematic Inventory (NETI), final scores of which range from 20 to 100, on “how people rank themselves on qualities long considered spiritual, psychological, or moral.” Shermer scored a 62, which Chopra said is “not bad”. Take the test yourself in the book or Google it online to read more about it.
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| 0:48.5 | And as you know, most of my podcast guests have new books out and it's kind of our beat. |
| 0:55.0 | Today's guest is none other than Deepak Chopra with his new book, |
| 0:59.0 | Meta-Human, unleashing your infinite potential as listeners to this |
| 1:05.1 | podcast or readers of my books will know. Deepak and I have had a long and |
| 1:09.4 | contentious relationship going back to the 1990s. We're now pretty good friends. I've tried to |
| 1:15.7 | steal man his arguments and tried to understand where he's coming from in his |
| 1:20.1 | worldview and vice versa. And I think we've made progress, actually, |
| 1:23.9 | I think in today's podcast, I made some, |
| 1:26.4 | we made some progress in understanding |
| 1:29.0 | some of the deeper issues in our worldview differences, |
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