There's this idea that the business world is hard and cold and rational, and it's not.

It's incredibly emotional, and everybody is pious toward belief because most people stand to make money if a stock goes up.

It's that great quote from the end of the Sun also rises, isn't it pretty to think so?

It's always prettier to think so than it is to say, do not think so.

It's particularly true in business because most people want to make money.

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