I'm not pulling on my driveway. We all know what that means. It's time for other drive to work.

Coronavirus edition. Okay, so I've been doing a lot of interviews recently where I talked to people, R&D people, past and present, about sets we worked on together. So today, I have Ben Hayes with me, and we're going to talk about working on unstable. Hey, Ben.

Hey, Mark. Happy to be here. Okay, so I'm going to set the scene and then you can jump in.

So basically what happened was this product took like seven years to get made. It got pushed

back three different times. And so I did the design. It got handed

off the development. Originally, Billy Murano did the development, but then he left Wizards. So it got

passed to Dave Humphreys, and then he did it for a while, but then he got another project,

and then it got handed to you. Although you, I think you were on for all three, right, you were on the whole development,

just you only led the third part of it.

Yeah, I wasn't on from the very beginning of development, but I was on when each of those

people were the lead.

Yep.

Okay, so let's talk making of unstable.

So what are the challenges?

I mean, I've talked a lot about designing it, so let's talk about the developing end of it.

What are the challenges of developing a set like unstable?

Well, probably the biggest thing is just how many parts of the car you need to be thinking about while you're making changes and tuning and getting

the set together that you don't have to think about on a normal magic set on a standard

blackboarder magic set.

So when you're working on a standard blackboarder magic set, you're worrying about manacost and thinking about, you know, whether something's an instant or a sorcery and power and toughness and how its abilities work.

But in an unset and in unstable, you're thinking about the art because that is implications on the gameplay.

You're thinking about the flavor text, whether or not the card has reminder text,

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