Welcome to the Mac Power Users. I'm David Sparks and joined as always by Mr. Stephen Robles.

Hello, Stephen. How are you today? I'm doing well, David. How's it going with you?

I am having a lot of fun. We have been talking with our guest today before the show.

It always makes me laugh. Welcome back to the Mac Power Users after a long time, Patrick Rohn.

Patrick Rohn. That's me,

I guess, huh? Hi. That is you. That is you. Indeed, it is. How are you? I'm doing, I'm doing great.

As we're saying before the, before we started, you know, life is, life is a roller coaster.

You just, you're along for the ride.

You hold on. And, you know, when you get to the top, you start going downhill.

You just throw your arms up in the air and go, wee.

Yeah, all this stuff, everything, everything shall pass, as they say.

Patrick and I go back.

We were figuring, I think, 20 years we've been in this racket.

Patrick was a lot more visibly in this ecosystem back in the days you had the, when you're writing your book,

you were doing a lot more podcasting in the day. You're an Apple consultant, but you're also a guy

who thinks about intentionality and you and I are on the same

wavelength so often that I just always enjoy talking to you, Patrick.

Well, thank you.

Thank you.

I appreciate that.

It's an honor to meet you, too, by the way.

I went on a crash course discovering who you were this past week.

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