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Mormon Stories Podcast

842: Matthew Lohmeier - Joining the Snuffer Movement Pt. 4

Mormon Stories Podcast

Dr. John Dehlin

Religion & Spirituality

4.65.2K Ratings

🗓️ 20 December 2017

⏱️ 95 minutes

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Summary

Continuing our series on the Doctrine of Christ (Snuffer) Movement, we interview Matthew Lohmeier. Matt converted to the Mormon church at age 14. He served a mission in Taiwan, attended the U.S. Air Force Academy, flew F15s, and married Sara McConkie Lohmeier, granddaughter to Mormon apostle Bruce R. McConkie. Both Matthew and Sara have joined the Denver Snuffer movement and were excommunicated from the Mormon church in July 2015. This interview discusses their journey, their excommunication, their interactions with the McConkie family, and the state of the Snuffer movement.

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Why would the Restoration need a restoration?

0:47.0

God tells Joseph Smith to set up a church.

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He sets up a church.

0:58.0

There's all that Daniel 2 prophecy about the stone rolling forth cut out from the mountain without hands, little consumm all nations.

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You don't get the sense that Joseph felt like, hey, members of Navu, what's going to happen is I'm going to die and then the church is going to go to Salt Lake and totally fall into a apostasy.

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And then some guy named Denver is going to get called to restart the church.

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That's not what the sense you get from Joseph's writings.

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You get the sense that he was going to start the church and the church was going to ultimately usher in the millennium.

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So why does the Restoration need a restoration?

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And then is there any scriptural support for what's happened recently?

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Is it foretold that Denver is Denver written about in the Scriptures?

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Is it foretold that a Denver figure would be needed in the version of the Gospel that Joseph Smith laid out?

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Great question.

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If not, we are all in big trouble.

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We're a part of this movement.

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But in fact, Joseph's aim seemed to me to be the establishment of Zion.

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And in fact, if you read, I don't remember what book it was in, but even Elder McConkey had written why it is that the saints didn't accomplish Zion while Joseph was on the earth.

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And it had to do with their lusts and their jealousies and their pride and their love of money.

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