Yeah, we feel professional with headsets on. And we're live. Welcome back, Louis.

Oh, yeah, thanks. Nice to be back. I was saying before the podcast started that you sent me down a Scientology rabbit hole last night my

friend I've been down those before but last night knowing that you were going to be

on and looking forward to it eagerly I watched a lot of stuff. And you know I spent three years

down that rabbit hole and it's a weird one. A weird one.

Were you on the internet?

Were you just clicking around?

Yeah, just.

There's a lot on YouTube, but there's various, very, very well-resourced websites.

There's one called Klambake.

I've been to that one yeah and then there's all the

Tony Ortega stuff I mean it's just it's just whole worlds and actually I mean I

know there's a lot to talk about but perhaps the biggest obstacle to making a documentary

about Scientology is the overabundance of material you know because there's just so

many ways to come in on it and you can just chase intriguing leads

and then months go by and you're no nearer to filming anything.

I have a lot of thoughts on this and one of the thoughts when I was really trying to unpack it all is that I feel like one of the reasons why a lot of these people defend Scientology.

I think there's several reasons, one because it's their team And once you become a part of a team, it becomes

something that you identify with, it becomes very important to you, and then you want to defend that.

So I think there's that. also I think some people take some benefit in what

El-Ron Hubbard created because if you read going clear?

Yes.

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