#830: Design Systems + Systems Thinking: How to Build a Design Language Your Whole Organization Can Actually Use
The Agile Brand with Greg Kihlström®: Expert Mode Marketing Technology, AI, & CX
The Agile Brand
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🗓️ 19 March 2026
⏱️ 33 minutes
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Summary
If your brand guide is a book of laws that everyone ignores, how do you create a shared belief that people both follow and actually want to embrace?
Agility requires a shared understanding that’s more than a set of rules; it's a way of thinking that allows teams to make consistent decisions, even when they’re not in the same room.
Today, we're going to talk about Design Systems and Systems Thinking, and specifically, how to build a design language your whole organization can actually use. We'll explore why so many design systems fail by focusing on components instead of conviction, and how rooting a brand in a core, shared belief allows it to scale without breaking.
To help me discuss this topic, I'd like to welcome Jenna Kennedy, Client Strategy at The Office of Experience, and Chris Taylor, Head of Brand Experience at DDN.
About Jenna Kennedy and Chris Taylor
Jenna Kennedy: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jennabkennedy/
Chris Taylor: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chris-taylor-3961b277/
Resources
The Office of Experience and DDN: https://www.officeofexperience.com
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| 0:00.0 | The Agile Brand |
| 0:02.4 | Welcome to Season 8 of the Agile Brand podcast. |
| 0:10.1 | This season we're going all in on expert mode |
| 0:12.7 | MARTEC, AI, and customer experience, |
| 0:15.7 | talking with the people and platforms behind the brands you know and love. |
| 0:19.4 | I'm Greg Kilstrom, your host, and I help Fortune 1000 companies make sense of |
| 0:23.7 | Martec, AI, and marketing ops. |
| 0:26.9 | Hit subscribe or follow to make sure you always get the latest episodes and leave us a rating |
| 0:30.8 | so others can find us as well. |
| 0:33.9 | This episode is brought to you by the Office of Experience, a design-driven, digital-first, |
| 0:38.3 | vertically integrated, and collaborative agency that believes in the power of ideas and the |
| 0:42.5 | strength of people. If your brand guide is a book of laws that everyone ignores, how do you |
| 0:48.4 | create a shared belief that people both follow and actually want to embrace? Agility requires |
| 0:54.0 | a shared understanding that's more than a set of rules. |
| 0:56.9 | It's a way of thinking that allows teams to make consistent decisions even when they're |
| 1:00.9 | not in the same room. |
| 1:02.6 | Today we're going to talk about design systems and systems thinking, and specifically |
| 1:07.0 | how to build a design language your whole organization can actually use. |
| 1:11.1 | We're going to explore why so many design systems fail by focusing on components instead of conviction |
| 1:16.0 | and how rooting a brand and a core shared belief allows it to scale without breaking. |
| 1:21.7 | Tell me to discuss this topic. |
| 1:22.9 | I'd like to welcome Jenna Kennedy from the Office of Experience and Chris Taylor from DDN. |
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