83 — Trans Widow: Off the Grid with Shannon Thrace
Gender: A Wider Lens
Sasha Ayad and Stella O'Malley
4.6 • 961 Ratings
🗓️ 19 August 2022
⏱️ 66 minutes
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Summary
Shannon Thrace is a writer, IT professional, and devotee of farm-to-table restaurants, summer festivals, all-night conversations, and lifelong learning. She’s passionate about unplugging, getting outside, and traveling the world. She’s also a trans widow who has written a memoir, soon to be published.
Today Shannon tells about first meeting her husband, Jaime. She fell in love and married a man who was creative and artistic, with an eclectic but grungy style. He was down for anything, fun to be around, and spontaneous. They moved from the city to the country. This was a young open-minded couple that enjoyed a playfulness in their relationship. So when Jamie stumbled across trans porn and developed an interest in cross-dressing, Shannon was more curious than distressed. But then things took a weird turn. As Jamie started to spend more time in online spaces, and less time in the real world, his interest in cross-dressing changed from a fun activity to a real struggle with gender dysphoria. He spiraled into worsening mental health and their marriage took a dive. Shannon tells the story of how her loving marriage couldn’t withstand the pressure of Jamie’s obsessions, ideologies, and online activism. We touch on the role of affirmative therapists, the loss of her friends, and Shannon’s utter isolation from this complicated situation. Ultimately a solo camping trip helped her ground herself and make a decision about ending the marriage. She ends this interview with some advice to other women who may be in a similar situation.
Links:
Substack: shannonthrace.substack.com
Shannon's Book: 18 Months: A Memoir of a Marriage Lost to Gender Identity
Extended Notes
- Shannon shares the story of her love for her husband.
- Exploring Trans pornography was Jamie’s way of introducing Shannon to his transformation.
- Jamie changed his personal style many times over the years.
- Shannon identified as a lesbian before meeting her husband.
- While testing out the waters of cross-dressing, Jamie was writing about his masculinity in a blog.
- A brief comment from a stranger ignited Jamie’s gender dysphoria.
- Jamie’s story closely fits into the gender dysphoria narrative on the internet at the time.
- Jamie was so depressed he stepped out of his everyday life. He quit work and stopped having sex with Shannon.
- Shannon’s therapist recommended she write a letter to say goodbye to her male partner.
- The therapist commented that she thought it would be fun to transition Jamie.
- Jamie started to pull away, sabotaged Shannon in tirades, and gave their mutual friends ultimatums.
- Jamie has had surgery to fully incorporate his beliefs.
- Shannon believes gender dysphoria can be acquired.
- Shannon offers advice for those who have spouses in various stages of transitioning.
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| 0:00.0 | You're listening to gender, a wider lens. |
| 0:04.0 | I'm Stella O'Malley, a psychotherapist in Ireland. |
| 0:06.5 | And I'm Sasha Ayad, an adolescent therapist in the United States. |
| 0:10.6 | Since 2016, my practice has been exclusively dedicated to gender questioning teens |
| 0:16.1 | and families impacted by gender dysphoria. |
| 0:19.0 | I also work with gender questioning teenagers and I facilitated support meetings for families and |
| 0:24.2 | individuals who have been impacted by gender issues. We're curious about the |
| 0:28.0 | concept of gender and how it's unfolding in the wider culture. Join us as we look at gender through a wider lens. |
| 0:35.0 | We're really looking forward to our second wider lens renewal retreat |
| 0:41.0 | at the very end of October. |
| 0:42.0 | Yes, it's going to be right here in my backyard in beautiful Scottsdale, Arizona. |
| 0:47.2 | It was a really special occasion and it really did seem to be truly transformative and parents who attended last time were |
| 0:54.3 | very keen to come together for another retreat. Yeah and for those of you who didn't |
| 0:59.0 | attend last time this is a retreat for parents who are seeking a deeper understanding of themselves and of their gender questioning child. |
| 1:07.0 | And it's also for parents who need some time out for some self-reflection and who want a parent with more confidence. |
| 1:13.0 | Yeah, so please join me, Stella, and our dear friend and colleague Lisa Marchiano in Scottsdale, Arizona this fall. |
| 1:21.0 | The Event Bright link will be in the show notes and you can also Google |
| 1:24.7 | Wider Lens Renewal Retreat Arizona. We hope to see you there. |
| 1:30.3 | Shannon Thrace is a writer, IT professional, and devotee of farm-to-table restaurants, summer |
| 1:36.9 | festivals, and lifelong learning. |
| 1:39.8 | She's passionate about unplugging, getting outside, and traveling the world. |
| 1:44.1 | Shannon is also a trans widow who has written a memoir about this experience, which is |
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