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What was it like to literally have the church be a part of rescuing you from drug addiction and to have the Book of Mormon be so incredibly meaningful to you and even apologetics to have been an important part of your journey.

How was it to write parodies about these things that in some senses were really sacred to you at one point and in other senses maybe even were parts of saving your life.

Was that, was that, yeah, it all conflicting for you emotionally or was it just all fun and games?

The process of songwriting parodies about things so sensitive to your core.

And I know it's sacred to a lot of people and people I care about who care about me and I, I do feel very conflicted about that.

But a couple things, first of all, like I said, it's what I do. It's kind of, you know, music is my, it's my meditation, it's my source of inspiration and expression.

And I, you know, I really didn't talk much about the reasons why I left the church when I did a year ago. I said, I'm not going to talk, talk about it.

But it was there, you know, it was there. I think it had to come out in some, some ways, you know.

It began more, like I said, as a lark, I still think of it kind of as a lark, you know, it's a, a satirical thing, you know, but, yeah, in a sense musically, I'm trying to express, this is why, this is why I left the church.

And here it is in song, you know, hopefully with some humor and, you know, some feeling that's not going to make you, you know, depressed or whatever it is.

All right. Well, with that, let's, we're talking to weird Alma, his, his album straight out of Camora.

We're now going to listen to the fifth track called ivory and ivory and I grew up in the 80s. So I knew exactly where you were going with this.

But there's a lot of millennials and younger folk who have no idea what they're about to hear. So tell us, tell us what the base, the original song is and the kind of what the idea of the song is.

Right. And you know, it occurs to me, it occurs to me that, that without that context, I'm not sure it quite works because if the original song, Ebony and ivory, right, you had Stevie Wonder and Paul McCartney singing together and it's Ebony and ivory lived together in perfect harmony side by side on my piano keyboard.

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