Hello friends, welcome back to another episode of Theology in the Raw in case you didn't listen to my previous episode with Leslie Hudson Reynolds

I wanted to say again that my book embodied is available for pre-ordered on Amazon. That's embodied subtitle is transgender identities the church and what the Bible has to say. It is sort of a

biblical theology

and scientific engagement with the whole overarching transgender conversation very much like my book People to Be Loved which many of you I know have read

it's kind of a people to be loved for the transgender conversation it's it gets pretty deep academically I try to keep the language very conversational but it has I think over 18,000 words in the end notes in fact the publisher I had to you know I think

I think my publisher almost lost the rights when they saw the manuscript and are like you have 18,000 words just in the end notes and I'm like well I this conversation is too delicate too sensitive I cannot say a single word without backing it up with research with evidence so it's it does it felt like an academic book when I was researching and in some ways writing it and yet I tried to as I always do right in a very conversational way there's lots of stories

lots of scientific research we consider the transgender conversation from all angles and so go check it out embodied over at Amazon or I guess I should say wherever books are sold which we all know that that just means Amazon right

okay my guest on today show is Bill Henson Bill Henson actually I met Bill through Leslie that's right Bill and Leslie were friends before I met Leslie

Leslie reached out to me through social media many years ago and Leslie said well you got to meet my friend Bill and so Bill and I become good friends over the years Bill has been a a almost like a father figure mentor to me in the LGBTQ conversation Bill has trained over 5,000 church leaders in the LGBTQ conversation he has worked with I mean thousands

I'm sorry no I got that wrong he's trained over 50,000 Christian leaders I said fuck no 50,000 Christian leaders and then he's guided over 4,000 families who have LGBT loved ones he's the author of one I mean I would say by favorite resource when it comes to understanding and loving LGBT people it's called guiding families of LGBT plus loved ones for every pastor and parent and all who care

you can find it at guiding families dot com and Bill Henson is the founder and leader of posture shift you can go to posture shift dot com check out more about his work that he's been doing for many years

all right please welcome to the show the one and only Bill Henson

welcome back to another episode of theology in the Ron here with my good friend Bill Henson Bill thanks so much for being on the show

thanks for it's an honor to be with you so for those of you who don't know a bit a bill I mean in just in my life has been a friend and mentor from a distance for a long time in this conversation we met early on and I mean you just I still remember some of our early conversations and you just have a

paradigm shifting thoughts and advice in how I approach the conversation about LGBTQ related questions and people and just over the years are just learned so much from Bill so if anybody out there is like oh I've learned a lot from you Preston just know that you have you two have been mentored by Bill because there's few things that I say that haven't either been just jacked from something you said Bill or at least significantly shaped by it so I'm

I want to hold up a resource here that is absolutely incredible and this is I know Bill that you put a lot of time and energy into this it's called guiding families of LGBT plus loved ones I mean I would say well let me just do this I'm not just I'm not just saying this I actually have a quote on the back and this is my number one go to resource if you are LGBT but especially if you're not

LGBT plus but have a loved one in your life whether you're a pastor with a congregant a father with a son son with a father whatever if you have some loved one in your life that's LGBT plus and you're not then this is a resource you have to get Bill work in it's only available on your website right doing a direct them to where they can get this resource sure you can get guiding families are guiding families dot com oh easy OK

let's let's go back and talk about your ministry lead them home now I talk to Leslie to the day and you're doing a bit of a rebrand right or trying to focus more on posture shift so I don't want to is it still lead them home technically or yeah technically the nonprofits established as lead them home over the years the way that we've ended up equipping leaders has been through posture shift the way that we've ended up

helping families has been through guiding families so okay posture shift dot com guiding families dot com were really going with that identity OK just primarily because a pastor will usually refer to us based on posture shift a family will refer to us based on guiding families.

please. Okay, take us back to the very beginning. How did you get into this work? I mean, you

were a successful, you had a successful life in the so-called secular world or whatever,

and you decided to give that up and do this work, which I know has been easy. Give us the

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