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This American Life

822: The Words to Say It

This American Life

This American Life

Society & Culture, News, Politics, Arts

4.688.8K Ratings

🗓️ 28 January 2024

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

What it means to have words—and to lose them.

  • Prologue: Sometimes we don’t want to say what’s going on because putting it into words would make it real. At other times, words don’t seem to capture the weight of what we want to say. Susanna Fogel talks about her friend Margaret Riley, who died earlier this week. (6 minutes)
  • Act One: The story of a woman from Gaza City who ran out of words. Seventy-two days into the war, Youmna stopped talking. (27 minutes)
  • Act Two: For years there was a word that Val’s mother did not want to use. Val sets out to figure out why. (22 minutes)

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Design on market would close. There was a real friendship and a work friendship. They talked four or five times a week, every week, for the last 18 years.

0:09.0

We would start talking about some work piece of business and then we would digress into a

0:15.6

combination of motherly advice from her and gossiping which would last for 30 to

0:20.0

45 more minutes. She had a lot of advice and she didn't miss her words about what I was doing wrong. She also was very loving and there for me.

0:31.1

Margaret Riley's her name.

0:34.0

She was somebody who managed screenwriters and directors and actors too.

0:38.0

She was 58.

0:39.0

Susanna is Susanna Focal, one of her clients.

0:42.0

And she says the remarkable thing about Margaret is how, up until the end,

0:46.0

she kept hidden how sick she was.

0:48.0

And that cancer had returned.

0:50.0

It was a secret from nearly everybody.

0:52.0

Even if you pushed and asked, she would not divulge that piece of it.

0:57.1

Like, I had texted her and said, hey, I feel like we just talk about trivial stuff and can we talk about your health and she

1:04.4

said I actually love to be distracted from talking about my health let's talk about

1:07.1

you and she would do that a lot. Margaret didn't want to get into it. She wanted to engage with people the way she always had.

1:15.0

She liked working. She wanted to keep at it the way she was used to.

1:19.0

And that continued literally until the day she died, Tuesday this week. Doctors had already told

1:24.4

her that she didn't have much time. She was getting hospice care at home. And so on

1:28.6

Monday and Tuesday she had a series of Zoom meetings, notes calls, calls with writers, calls with executives, and she refused to let

1:37.3

anybody cancel them and she refused to let people come and see her when she was booked into these professional meetings which she attended.

1:45.0

In fact, the day Margaret died, her mother was flying to LA to see her.

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