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PBS News Hour - Segments

‘John and Jim’ symphony honors marriage equality with its future increasingly in doubt

PBS News Hour - Segments

PBS NewsHour

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4.11K Ratings

🗓️ 16 July 2025

⏱️ 7 minutes

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Summary

Ten years ago, marriage equality became the law of the land when the Supreme Court ruled in the landmark Obergefell v. Hodges case that state bans on same-sex marriage were unconstitutional. A symphony piece now honors the love story of Jim Obergefell and husband John, and how the fight to prevent an overturn of the case continues. Jeffrey Brown reports for our arts and culture series, CANVAS. PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders

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10 years ago, marriage equality became the law of the land. In the landmark case,

0:05.5

Obergefell v. Hodges, the Supreme Court ruled that state bans on same-sex marriage violated

0:11.6

the 14th Amendment. Jeffrey Brown went to the Washington National Cathedral to see how a new

0:17.5

symphonic piece honors the love story of plaintiff Jim Obergefell and his husband, John,

0:23.6

and how the fight to preserve that law continues today. It's part of our arts and culture series, Canvas.

0:33.5

Supreme Court cases don't usually engender a piece of symphonic music, but Obergefell v. Hodges

0:44.4

was no ordinary case.

0:45.8

And so the joyous and exuberant sounds of John and Jim.

0:52.0

There's what I've realized for me is the musical embodiment of champagne bubbles.

0:57.0

And my late husband John loves champagne.

0:59.0

So whenever I hear that section, it's really when I feel John the most.

1:04.0

Jim is Jim Obergefell.

1:06.0

John was John Arthur, his longtime partner, diagnosed with ALS in 2011.

1:12.2

In July 2013, as John was dying, they traveled to Maryland, a state that allowed gay marriage

1:17.9

to be wed.

1:19.1

But Ohio, where they lived, banned same-sex marriages, and Jim learned he wouldn't be recognized

1:24.5

as John's spouse upon his death.

1:26.9

We had to figure out where to go to do something millions of other people took for granted.

1:32.8

But we made it happen.

1:36.3

Fighting that led to the court case, one that changed American life.

1:41.0

Since then, nearly 600,000 gay and lesbian couples have wed.

1:45.4

And a May poll showed 68 percent of Americans support marriage equality.

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