‘John and Jim’ symphony honors marriage equality with its future increasingly in doubt
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🗓️ 16 July 2025
⏱️ 7 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | 10 years ago, marriage equality became the law of the land. In the landmark case, |
| 0:05.5 | Obergefell v. Hodges, the Supreme Court ruled that state bans on same-sex marriage violated |
| 0:11.6 | the 14th Amendment. Jeffrey Brown went to the Washington National Cathedral to see how a new |
| 0:17.5 | symphonic piece honors the love story of plaintiff Jim Obergefell and his husband, John, |
| 0:23.6 | and how the fight to preserve that law continues today. It's part of our arts and culture series, Canvas. |
| 0:33.5 | Supreme Court cases don't usually engender a piece of symphonic music, but Obergefell v. Hodges |
| 0:44.4 | was no ordinary case. |
| 0:45.8 | And so the joyous and exuberant sounds of John and Jim. |
| 0:52.0 | There's what I've realized for me is the musical embodiment of champagne bubbles. |
| 0:57.0 | And my late husband John loves champagne. |
| 0:59.0 | So whenever I hear that section, it's really when I feel John the most. |
| 1:04.0 | Jim is Jim Obergefell. |
| 1:06.0 | John was John Arthur, his longtime partner, diagnosed with ALS in 2011. |
| 1:12.2 | In July 2013, as John was dying, they traveled to Maryland, a state that allowed gay marriage |
| 1:17.9 | to be wed. |
| 1:19.1 | But Ohio, where they lived, banned same-sex marriages, and Jim learned he wouldn't be recognized |
| 1:24.5 | as John's spouse upon his death. |
| 1:26.9 | We had to figure out where to go to do something millions of other people took for granted. |
| 1:32.8 | But we made it happen. |
| 1:36.3 | Fighting that led to the court case, one that changed American life. |
| 1:41.0 | Since then, nearly 600,000 gay and lesbian couples have wed. |
| 1:45.4 | And a May poll showed 68 percent of Americans support marriage equality. |
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