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Wondery, UK. That's audible.com slash Wondery UK. In the consult, we discuss cases

involving violence, sexual violence, abduction, and murder.

Sometimes the cases we discuss involve children.

Listener discretion is advised. Welcome to the consult. I'm Julia Cowley, retired FBI agent and profiler.

Joining me again are my colleagues, Susan Costler Drew and Bob Drew, who are also retired FBI profilers,

and we work together in the FBI's behavioral analysis unit.

And I also want to mention that both Susan and Bob have extensive experience working

cold case homicide. So they bring a lot of knowledge to these types of cases. Today we're continuing

our discussion with Michael Butterfield, one of the leading experts on the Zodiac Killer. Michael is a writer and researcher

who has been investigating the case for over 30 years. He hosts the podcast Zodiac A to Z and his

upcoming book, The Zodiac Killer, The Story of America's Most Illusive Murder murderer, will be released on May 6th.

If you haven't listened to parts one and two, I recommend going back and checking those out

first.

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